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Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 00:38:00 - [1] Originally by: Joe Phoenix Do i feel sorry for a corporate puppet? ** no! Thanks for removing any doubt that, in addition to being a liar, a fraud, and the worst CEO in EVE, you are also a worthless sociopath. Originally by:** Culmen So it wasn't a tea bagger. Just a regular style whack job Sure, it's just a coincidence that he was a fan of the same "revolution against the 'oppressive' government" nonsense the tea party loves. Purely a coincidence that he shot someone who Sarah Palin (you know, a tea party leader) targeted in that campaign ad involving crosshairs over the "enemies". Purely a coincidence that he shot someone whose opponent in the last election organized a gun-range fundraiser to "remove" her. Yeah, no reason to blame the conservatives on this... -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 00:47:00 - [2] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 09/01/2011 00:47:28 Originally by: Jada Maroo Originally by: Culmen So it wasn't a tea bagger. Just a regular style whack job Funny how people ignorant of the actual statistics like to imply that Tea Party members are prone to violence when it's two radical leftist movements, animal rights and environmental extremists, who are responsible for almost all terroristic attacks in the US. Mostly targetting property. If you go by body count, it's Muslims of course. Dead last? Right wing extremists. Who cares about the general statistics? We're talking about the details of *this specific attack*, where there are very good reasons to blame right-wing extremists. -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 00:51:00 - [3] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 09/01/2011 00:52:27 Originally by: Jada Maroo Originally by: Merin Ryskin Yeah, no reason to blame the conservatives on this... Yeah those terrible conservatives wishing her dead. Like this guy right here! Oh, wait again... Do you honestly not see a difference between saying "she's dead to me" and using campaign ads with crosshairs over your "enemies" while advocating "second amendment solutions"? Can you really not see how one of these could encourage violence while one probably wouldn't? edit: Yep, purely a coincidence, no reason to blame conservative extremists. -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:00:00 - [4] Originally by: Jada Maroo Originally by: Merin Ryskin Do you honestly not see a difference between saying "she's dead to me" and using campaign ads with crosshairs over your "enemies" while advocating "second amendment solutions"? Can you really not see how one of these could encourage violence while one probably wouldn't? Yeah it was just an innocent rant. That must be way DailyKos scrubbed it from their website earlier today. Abra Kadabra, and now it's gone! Oh FFS, why is this complicated? Can you really not see any reason to remove a story criticizing someone who was just shot in the head and nearly DIED besides "looking guilty"? Do ideas of "not the appropriate time" or "in poor taste" not mean anything to you? And let's not forget that Sarah Palin has pulled the crosshair image, so if deleting is a sign of guilt... -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:06:00 - [5] Originally by: Jada Maroo And it's funny -- I don't see anything in that image up there that calls for "second amentment solutions" to those races like you said above. Is it possible you gasp took one thing she said one place, and one thing she said somewhere else about something entirely unrelated, and... conveniently combined them together to form your own strawman narrative? Where did I say it was in the same image? And it's hardly "unrelated" when you're a member of a group that talks about "second amendment solutions" (as well as other hints of violent revolution) and use an image with crosshairs over your "enemies". Only an idiot could fail to see the general theme here. Quote: By the way, just so you don't dig yourself any deeper, it was Sharron Angle who coind the phrase second amentmend solution, and she used it in the same context as Thomas Jefferson would have. And your point is? Both are members of the same group, and neither has come out and said "this person does not represent my views or the views of the tea party, do not listen to her". PS: I'd say comparison with Jefferson's use is laughable and that the "oppression" the tea party is crying about is so much more trivial, but I guess we DID fight a war because we weren't happy about taxes... -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:09:00 - [6] Originally by: Jada Maroo Maybe you haven't heard, but that election is kind of over. Your side got hosed, remember? Last time I checked, a major reason why the democrats lost was because they weren't liberal enough, and people like me didn't bother to vote for them. Quote: How long was she supposed to keep an out of date graphic up? So it's not at all a coincidence that it would stay up months after the election, and only get taken down when one of the people under those crosshairs actually got shot? I'm sure we all believe that today was the day it was scheduled to be removed (planned long ago), and today's events have nothing to do with that decision... -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:22:00 - [7] Originally by: Ademaro Imre Do you believe, putting an icon of a cross hair, in the general vicinity within the outline of a state border leads people to kill? Have you even seen the graphic? When used as a part of a general trend of images suggesting violent revolution, do I think that it could lead someone who already has serious issues to do violent things? Yes. Quote: Odd, that his classmates describe him as a leftist. A classmate, from years ago, carries more weight than his current statements or the tea party propaganda encouraging violent actions, both in general and against the specific victim? Quote: Have you never been to a firing range? I shoot at bullseyes, not crosshairs. I guess, to you, a crosshair on on a map, is entirely different than bullseyes because this does not bother you. Oh FFS, really? It's totally innocent because instead of a bullseye target they put the view you'd see looking down the scope before killing someone? Are you really this desperate? Quote: He was a fan against the government mind control, and government control of grammar. Only a moron could someone link that with any political party. Funny how there's a high overlap between extremist conservative-libertarian tinfoil hatters and tea party membership... -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:30:00 - [8] Originally by: Ademaro Imre A trend of images? Show the trend of images that leads to tiny icons. Have you even looked at tea party propaganda? Can you honestly say that you can't see a trend of using images of violent revolution? Remember "second amendment solutions"? Having a gun-range fundraiser to "remove" the representative who was shot today? Bringing guns to a town hall meeting to "show support for the second amendment"? Can we even count the number of times they've used that quote about "watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants"? -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Ademaro Imre So, the crosshairs used in a scope, helped push the man into killing people with a weapon that he was not using a scope with? And the use of bullseyes would never have pushed this person, only crosshairs. Is that what you are saying? Do you even realize how desperate you sound when you're nitpicking the specific details of the weapon he used? The simple fact is Sarah Palin used an image hinting at violence against her political opponents, as part of a trend of images/speeches/etc involving hints of violence against political opponents. Fortunately, most tea party members are able to limit themselves to fantasies about violent revolution, and we don't have 20 dead politicians as a result. However, it is not difficult to imagine that a tiny minority of people who, for whatever reasons, are already more prone to violence could follow that image (and similar propaganda) to the inevitable conclusion. Quote: Really, there is a high overlap about grammar control? Mind control? Dream States? Have you watched his youtube videos? My point is not that his specific tinfoil hattery has a high overlap, but that a very high percentage of anti-government conspiracy theorists in general are conservative-libertarians, a group which tends to overlap significantly with the tea party. -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:38:00 - [10] Originally by: Jada Maroo And yet, year after year after year after year radical leftists take all the top slots on the FBI terrorism list. I'm beginning to think maybe we should screen for politics before we let these people on airplanes. I mean, you've really got to work to come in on top of the radical Islamists. As you said, left-wing terrorists tend to focus on property damage. Yes, wrecking an animal-testing lab is a crime, but there's a huge difference between that and shooting your political opponents in the head. -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:42:00 - [11] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 09/01/2011 01:43:22 Originally by: Ademaro Imre Ok, trend of images. Link some images. "Images" as in the kind which can include verbal statements, etc. You know, "second amendment solutions", quoting revolutionary war propaganda, etc. Only an oblivious idiot would deny that the tea party wants to compare themselves to a violent revolution. Quote: Shooting range fundraisers are held everywhere. So, Loughner was at the fund raiser? Is that what you are suggesting? Did someone channel their presence at the fundraiser to thim through what he claims to be government mind control? Have you READ the advertising for that fundraiser? No, it doesn't explicitly say "let's kill her", but there is definitely a strong hint of violent revolution in there. Quote: Someone exercised their right to carry a weapon, is that the instance, that made Loughner to believe, he should shoot a 2nd Amendment supporter? Are you saying Lougher is anti-gun? Oh FFS, do you really think that "second amendment solutions" has anything to do with the right to peacefully carry a gun? Hint for the clueless: it's about violent revolution. Quote: Maybe you should count for us how many times that quote was used, because its very seldom used, especially in the context of Giffords being a tyrant. Are you honestly that clueless? The tea party and its followers LOVE that quote. I can't even count the number of times I've heard/seen it used by conservative-libertarians. Quote: And just for laughs, why don't you believe that the WV governoner (democrat), picking up a rifle, shooting at a document representing US Law in repeated TV political ads, does not inspire anyone? 1) I never said I approve of that either. 2) There's a difference between shooting at documents and hinting at violence against people, especially when you start listing specific names.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 02:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Joe Phoenix Edited by: Joe Phoenix on 09/01/2011 02:26:58 Oh MERIN is on this thread!! I can poke fun at the fat lexbian and nobody will care because everyone hates her/his face edit: are you still in pain after your last public butt-**ing? Yep, Joe Phoenix, shining example of all that is good with humanity. Oh wait, you're just a bigot AND a sociopath. PS: how's your fraud of a "movie" going? Originally by:** Joe Phoenix What kill a corrupt politician? WOW thats such a crazy idea i bet nobody in the world has done that before! Yep, like I said, complete sociopath. Even the tea party people have some basic human sympathy for the victims (or at least pretend to). -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 02:50:00 - [13] Originally by: Jada Maroo Agreed, because this guy can't be pinned on anyone. Besides, the more we try to shift responsibility onto some other group or ideology, the less responsibility we place on the murdering sack of crap. I'm not sure why anyone would want to do that. It's not about removing any responsiblity from the murderer (the world will be a better place when he is executed for his crimes), it's about pointing out that actions have consequences. The tea party needs to realize the irresponsibility of their violent propaganda and stop doing it. Originally by: Ademaro Imre What is moronic, is not reading this thread, then making your post. When someone claims that crosshairs get people killed and its a trend within one political party, they need to explain why bullseyes do not and why the other political party practices exactly the same type of political fundraising. That's what I asked. The difference is simple: The tea party has been doing two things: 1) Comparing themselves to the revolution that started this country (quoting appropriate propaganda, etc). Whether it was justified or not, that was a VIOLENT revolution. 2) Using language/images/etc that suggest violence against political opponents. The democrats, as a whole, have not. -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 03:01:00 - [14] Originally by: Joe Phoenix I'm British hense i must take part in "tea parties", oh dear. And you're illiterate too. I didn't say you were a member of the tea party, I said even the tea party members are better than you. -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 03:03:00 - [15] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 09/01/2011 03:05:32 Originally by: Ademaro Imre Tea party, Sarah Palin, tea party......... Has it ever occured to you ONCE, that there may be a link between Loughner's atheism, his likes of the Communist Manifesto, and Mein Kampf, and Giffords being a Jew? Did Loughner have links and "likes" about Sarah Palin as much as he did for The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf? So under your theory, it's just pure coincidence that the person he picked to kill just happened to be a politician the tea party has used violent language/images about? Originally by: Jada Maroo Why would the Tea Party do anything differently based on the actions of a schitzophrenic with no coherent political philosophy? Do you go through life basing your actions and words on the possible reactions of crazy people? Maybe because the tea party realizes that it could be a bad idea to use violent language/images/etc because some people might take it seriously? Quote: And I'm still wondering when you're going to start applying these standards to Barack Obama. Sarah Palin never referred to a terrorist as her mentor. Sarah Palin didn't start her political career in a terrorist's living room. Sarah Palin didn't have a terrorist help write her biography. Sarah Palin's pastor didn't say the US brought the 9/11 attacks on itself. 1) Who said I liked Obama? I think he's a terrible president. 2) You may notice a tiny little detail here: Obama isn't hinting at violent revolution, last time I checked. It's a funny double standard you have there. -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 03:11:00 - [16] Originally by: Joe Phoenix Merin just called a VSO volunteer a sociopath? Oh what sweet irony How desperate must you be when you're bragging about your volunteering like that? One might almost suspect that your motives for volunteering (if you even did) have less to do with altruism than with making yourself look good... And yes, I'm calling the person who said "Do i feel sorry for a corporate puppet? **** no!" a sociopath. Go read a dictionary if you have trouble seeing how "lack of sympathy for murder victims" could possibly make you a sociopath. -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 03:17:00 - [17] Originally by: Joe Phoenix tell me merin, obviously you are not very smart and have some social problems, but let me ask you, what does VSO stand for? Could it be http://www.vso.org.uk/? PS: nice job trying to change the subject, but you're still a sociopath. -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 03:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Ademaro Imre You are being silly to even coming up with such a connection, without having addressed how his professed like of Mein Kampf and Giffords being a Jew, has no connection. The point is that one of them leads to a plausible motive, while the other doesn't. Listening to tea party propaganda has a very clear motive, and it's not hard to see how how someone who already has serious problems could identify with the tea party platform, see that kind of propaganda, and decide "it's time to deal with this problem myself". Hating Jews just doesn't produce a motive that makes any sense. If that was really what his motivation was, why pick this specific target? Why kill a random politician who happens to be a Jew instead of someone who is an active and important figure in Jewish religion/culture/etc? Why not go shooting at a pro-Israel rally? Etc. -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 03:33:00 - [19] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 09/01/2011 03:34:33 Originally by: Joe Phoenix A sociopathic humanitarian? Merin i don't run anti-malaria treatement programs in the gambia because i like the **ing weather out there! People like you make me loss faith in humanity... Yeah, and all the racists who say "I'm not a racist, one of my friends is black" are not racists... Like it or not, publicly announcing that you don't think murdering politicians is something to care about makes you a sociopath. The more you brag about your volunteering like this, the more you make it look like the only reason you volunteer is for the same reason as other sociopaths: to make themselves look good. Originally by:** Ademaro Imre Perhaps, that particular jew was his representative in a government be believed practiced mind control and grammar control. He's crazy. But you need to first eliminate the obvious, and demonstrate how Mein Kampf, and Giffords being a jew has no relation before you get into Sarah Palin. Do crazy people need a motive? Mein Kampf was enough for Hit ler, so - it could be enough for other crazy people. Why is your personal theory the one that needs to be explained first? Why not the other way around? Now, if he'd gone to a pro-Israel rally and started shooting, I (and everyone else) would be putting the blame elsewhere, but he didn't. -----------

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